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Next Stop: Tulsa, Oklahoma

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Danny has officially accepted an offer with a dentists' group in Tulsa. I feel much like CHANDLER ON FRIENDS.

We really are excited at this opportunity. It really was an offer we couldn't refuse. The cost of living in Tulsa is cheap. The people of Tulsa are great. (and plus they actually go to the dentist). It will be an amazing place to ditch all of our DEBT.

 We can't wait to to be near family and old friends (I grew up near Tulsa) but are sad to say goodbye to other family and friends. And also sad that we're not moving to the beach. (I digress).

Anyway, I haven't found a job yet so if you need an attorney in the Tulsa area, I'm your girl!

Pounded

Searching for rental income properties is no joke. We're in kind of a weird situation. We're trying to get pre-approved for a mortgage BUT we have 1) me- who is about to change jobs/might be jobless upon moving and 2) danny- who hasn't worked for a million years, but has an employment contract which identifies guaranteed income per month.

We have an income to debt ratio that might make some lender's hearts beat fast, but, we also have options such as IBR, PAYE, etc etc to sign up for. But, we also cannot sign up for those options until his loans go into repayment, in June when he graduates.

Anyway, it has complicated the process of getting pre-approved for a mortgage with all of this craziness going on.

Me, getting pounded at Pounders. Its a metaphor. 

Its also tricky being at a distance and maintaining full time jobs/school and trying to schedule in looking at properties. Not to mention the cost of traveling to go look at those properties, sheesh!


What do you think? Are we in over our heads? Is it worth it??

April Debt Update: [Student Loans]

Feels like we're at a little bit of a standstill this month. We are getting ready to purchase a rental income property (see HERE) and are using some of the money we would be putting towards these loans on a down payment for that property. So, its a little ouch right now but hopefully will pay off in the long run.

Rental Income Lets us Live Rent Free! Or does it? TBD

If we are ever going to pay off this debt, we are going to have to get creative. So,


We have a plan.
I haven't decided how good of one it is.


Here is what I'm thinking:


We haven't narrowed down exactly where we will be moving, but in some of our options (OK, AZ, CA, OR) the cost of living/buying a house is SO cheap. Like, you can buy a pretty nice house (Think 3-4 bedrooms, 2-3 bathrooms in a nice neighborhood for 120k). --> mortgage payments for a house at this price are typically $600-$800 month, as a general rule of thumb. (obviously not in california, ha)

We are thinking we will buy a duplex, live in one side, and rent out the other side. In the areas we are looking at, units like this rent out for somewhere between $900-1200 a month, essentially the cost of our mortgage plus some likely maintenance fees that will come up.

Certainly there are cons to renting, and these are my top three concerns:
1) Finding legit tenants and dealing with bad ones
2) Collecting rent every month
3) Exposure to liability

But if that lets us live "rent free" (since tenants will be covering our mortgage) for a few years, maybe its worth it? What do YOU think??

STUDENT LOAN REPAYMENT OPTIONS: IBR PAYE REPAYE STANDARD REPAYMENT ETC ETC

Danny's graduation just keeps getting closer and closer which means one excellent thing: we are getting closer and closer to having a real income. But it also means that we are getting closer and closer to having to make a decision on how we are going to tackle his MOUNTAIN of debt. So, I've gone through each of our options (or lack of options, but hopefully it is helpful for you). Without further adieu:

Lets start off by looking at this fancy chart. You should create your own HERE as it is helpful in reviewing what the best option is for you.























1. IBR

to qualify: must have FFEL, Stafford/Graudate Plus loans (can't have anything that contains Parent Plus loans)

Pros:

• Loan forgiveness. After 25 years, the remaining balance of your loans disappear.
• Live better lifestyle immediately after graduation. This is as a result of the fact that you will  be making low monthly payments.This is appealing to people who have been students (and living like students) for more than 10 years.
• Never have to pay more than what would be required under 10 year standard repayment plan. 
• Payments change with income.This helps ensure that your payments are affordable- if you get a job that pays less, then your payments will decrease. 
• Possibility for saving and investing money earlier

Cons:

• Doesn't incentivize you to make lots of money (since its based off percentage (15%) of income. The more I earn, the more I pay, while interest is accruing).
• Pay FAT taxes the year that your loan is forgiven. You are taxed on the remaining balance of your loan (which, for medical and dental students, can easily be more than $1million). Meaning, you might be paying $100k - $400k JUST IN TAXES the year your loan is "forgiven"
• You have debt hanging over your head for 25 years 
• Your loans will earn more interest 

IN SUM: Good for people who have high debt compared to income and or family size. Or who want to live a more comfortable lifestyle and not concerned about lifetime value of the loan. 

2. PAYE:

To Qualify: Must have Stafford or Graduate Plus loans that were taken out ON OR AFTER Oct, 1, 2011, or have consolidaton loans that were made on or after Oct 1, 2011 OR direct loan borrowers can qualify if they have no loans made before Oct 1, 2007.

We don't qualify for this so I didn't research this too hard because its too depressing on what we are missing out on. If you qualify, really consider taking advantage of this!

Pros:

- 10% of your income for twenty years and then it is forgiven.
- Allows you to live comfy-ish lifestyle immediately after graduation
- total balance of your loan that you end up paying will likely be less than what you would have paid under the conventional loan option (or any other option for that matter, see chart customized to our situation above)

Cons:

- you  have debt hanging over your head for 20 years.
- You'll be taxed on the remaining balance that is forgiven plus whatever your income is that year, so that will HURT

3. REPAYE

Pros:

- good option if your job is not reliable or you think for some reason you may earn LESS money in the future
- only pay 10% of whatever your income is. So if you went to school and then decided to become a SAHM for example, you would pay $0 (since your income is $0).
- good option if you don't qualify for PAYE

Cons:

- Accrue WAY more interest than other repayment options
- Get taxed (as discussed above) when your loan is forgiven


4. STANDARD:

The standard plan sets up your payments such that you'd pay off your loans within ten years.

Pros:

- smallest amount of interest accruing
- gets rid of debt hanging over your head the fastest

Cons: 

- living like students for another 10 years (ideally less, since ideally you'd be throwing more money at these monthly than what is due)
- takes a lot of discipline to not spend the money you are making



So, our expenses could look something like this next year:

Yearly expenses based on $150,000 income (ps, we don't know what exactly our income we'll be, so this is just a random figure I chose out of the air) 

Taxes: $37,500 - 49,500 (25-33% depending on how we file) 

Tithing: $15,000

Housing: $9600

Food: $5000

Standard loan: $62,000 IBR: $17,976 PAYE: $15,000 REPAYE: $15,492

Car maintenance: $500

Clothes: $500

This factors in basically no discretionary income- gifts, vacations, etc. And this could change a lot because it depends quite a bit on what our actual income is.

Super appealing to only have to spend 15k on student loans next year instead of 60k! But super unappealing to think about getting taxed to death in 20-25 years. And super unappealing to STILL be paying loans in 20-25 years. In the end, its a personal choice, obviously. What do you think? What have I not considered? What are you doing for your student loans?? Or what are your plans?? HELP US DECIDE-- comment below! 

Student Loans: March Debt Update

Progress is progress I guess! 

Kind of. Except that I looked at Danny's dental school loans and his masters degree loans this week. Its like looking after you squish a bug or blow your nose- you've gotta see it but you really really really don't want to. But you do. But really you don't. He's only accrued $60k in INTEREST so far. BAH. I just about passed out. 

At least he graduates in a couple of months and can start knocking those bad boys out. 

xoxo